i tihnk that a maltese shell wouldn't cost that much because their fireworks are made with just donations and with any normal materials that you see! so i was thinking that it would cost less!

Im not the expert in figuring out the prices, just gave a guess out loud. Im only good in figuring size, name and effect. To me loud crackling things from fireworks are my favorite. I dunno why. And it's been long since I've talked with Trav on this forum. I think I'm the youngest person in this forum. Is the a minimum of age? Im not 8 or anything. Im older than thatbut younger's better. I've seen St.Mary's Fireworks, which are fantastic. I saw it on YouTube. They had studata lambis that shot in the air so quickly they detonated a second later. It was incredible. I think La Ronde should increase the size of their fireworks field like one of the docks at Thunder Over Louisville. The most intense finale I've ever seen, aside from Canada in 2007 which my dad said was the best display he's ever seen. IPON S.R.L is a firm I've never seen display at LaRonde in my life. I've seen videos on Youtube but the real sensation is in front of it LIVE. Am I correct?!?

Pat

how old are you?? 10?? you said your older than 8 hehehe! yeah i could see that ur quite young cause i'm also like you who keeps asking stuf! by the way im 15! I've never seen a display in montreal nor ive been to canada haha!

vander

Hi!

To keep on with Stutata as an example, we resell ours (regardless of the specific effect) for around 100 Euros. With the Maltese shells the problem is if you really want them from Malta and not recreate them yourself, it would be hard to get. There is only one commercial manufacturer on Malta (Briffa Fireworks), all the other ones are clubs of amateurs doing it for their local feast. And then there would be a transportation issue... So, for Maltese shells it's hard to quote a price from directly on Malta.

bye!
Alex

Hey,

Actually I'm 14. I still know every single display I've seen in my life! It's complicated to remember actually. But I've seen all since 2005 and 1 or 2 from 1998-2004. I am designing my own fireworks firm. And it will be a Canadian/Italian firm. Pure Italian finale! As for studata's..that's expensive! I heard on the radio after Panzeras 2007 closing that an estimated $300 000 was used in the display! Now I am not the party pooper but, where the heck do they get all that money!?! IPON S.R.L in my guess is maybe an approx. $500 000 display as well as Caballer. They are one of my favorite firms, as well as Panzera and Di Matteo. Alex..what firm are you with? What do you do in the firm? IPON was one of the most powerful firms in the world. Up until the accident of the factory. But I think Caballer is still going. They make intense finales and they still continue. I've never seen a Caballer or IPON finale in my life. If it was 2004 every year, I'd see IPON more than once! I think Montrealers feel a diffrence in firms. Most say 'They use the same pieces' but still everything is hand made. That's the incredible part! During a finale, more than 70% of their pieces are used on the finale. And it is certain every firm should recieve a standing ovation on the work they have done. Btw, Alex, with whatever firm you have, have you ever performed a display at LaRonde? If not, I look forward to it!

Regards,
Pat

Hi Pat!

As mentioned above it is ABA Pyrotechnik and, well, I'm running it actually, together with a partner of mine. I'm doing mostly the production of display goods and managing the imports to go with it. We've never made a Show at LaRonde, we don't do that much shows, focus is more on manufacturing and distribution. But I'd like to, perhaps one day...
I don't know what the budgets are at Montreal but I'm sure not as high as 300.000 - fireworks aren't that expensive. We did a competition in Spain with friends, the budget was like 25.000 $. I'm sure it is more in Montreal, but 300.000 would last nearly all shows going
Well, for Pagano, they did some nice shows but the factory wasn't that big actually, I was there once, you could fit it into our parking lot here. Panzera is still going, but are mainly manufacturing roman candles, the shells are bought from southern Italy. All Caballers are still producing a good amount in Spain, which is good stuff. Which one do you mean, Ricardo, Antonio or Vicente? We are working with Antonio Caballer, I like the people there, we became good friends. Vicente is actually in a decline at the moment, we'll see what will happen.

bye!
Alex

I think that he's talking about vicente caballer because their the ones who joins thecompetition the most! But i heard antonio caballer's name has changed to zamorano caballer?

My favorite spanish firm is Ricardo Caballer but too bad their not gonna be in fallas this year When it comes to mascetas i love Europla de Belgida very nice digital sequence! But i think that perez and xaraiva are also good!! from what i saw in tarragona! I saw everything on just videos though hehe!

I think that the budget in montreal is 35,000 dollars! pretty big! Do you know which chinese companies are some of the italian companies using? because the ones they use seems to be very nicely shaped! and the quality's quite high!

Hey,

I've always wanted to run a firm of my own. Ever display I see wants meto be a pyrotechncian so badly. Including the fact that I want the exact same job of Paganos in my firm. Yes I was refering to Vincente Caballer. What firm is better in finales, quality and style? Vincente, Antonio or Ricardo?

All the best,
Pat

I think that the budget in montreal is 35,000 dollars!

I recall earlier figures stating that each competing team receives approximately $70,000-$75,000 to purchase all the materials they need, though more recent numbers haven't been released. I suspect it's still around that range given the wide range of effects we've seen over the last few years among all firms.

Trav.

Unless the radi was wrong..maybe they must have meant the entire season of cost..But still that's amazing that the team recieves 70-75 grand! Is Pagano going to help Canada's finales anyways? He did with Germany..I wished for so many years I can meet him for at least 20 mins. It would be an utter delight. I am such a fan of his work. Btw, Alex. Since you have a firm. Have you placed a shell in a mortar before? Because I have this wierd question I asked Trav in one of the topics..why do pyrotechnicans put tarp on the mortars!?! I find it wierd. When they call for no rain, they still put it. And maybe a fire can be started..they either put tarp or aluminum foil on top..I've never heard of that.my dad bought aerial shells from BEM (family fireworks) and no tarp is on it. What diffrence does it make anyways? As well I have another question. You have showed me a photo of a studata lambi shell. Now, what does an aerial salute look like?Do you put it in crossed mortars? Or just a normal single mortar in your displays. if you cannot answer these questions then someone might be able to asnwer. Cause my friend wants to know what a salute looks like, but neither do I have any idea. Wierd questions I know. but I might need info for when I do become a pyrotechnician. Otherwise I will not know what to choreograph.

All the best,
Pat

They put the aluminum foil in the mortars to reduce the possibilities of that shell lighting the ones beside it! because when the shell comes up it emits a lot of sparks from the lift charge so they need to cover it so that there will be less sparks which could light the other shells! the tarps are placed on top of the mortars before the display so that incase it rains it has a cover! i'd say that their also protecting the fuse from the sunlight cause some e-match or fuse are very sensitive to heat! when SOME fuse heats up it could ignite! hehe! (correct me if im wrong with the infos above )

All shells looks the same from the outside! whether it's a salute, studata, peony, gamboge or whatever! the only difference are if their cylindrical shells, ball shells, or in some cases i saw some spiked shells! The inside is also different! for a salute the shell would just be filled with flash comps! for studata lambi, inside there's many small shells!

vander

Hi there!

Antonio Caballer and Zamorano Caballer are the same, just two different brand names. The boss is Miguel Zamorano Caballer, his children are in the company too. I've been at Fallas last year, this year I can't come unfortunately. I liked AC's show best but I think that is a matter of taste. Ricasa is also good but the ratio Spanish production to imported material was too much on the imported side for my taste. I very much liked the show of Turis and Vicente was nothing that got me excited. With Mascletas we were a few times at the main place at noon but mostly down in the small streets to see the street festas there - it's kind of more personal there and not so packed with people Europla does a nice job but somehow this digital tricks are a little bit too much. It's nice for a surprise-effect but using it constantly is kinda boring. It takes the magic away from the original artwork and craftsmanship that goes into the timing and set-up of the mascletas - again, speaking for my personal taste
I very much like the smaller companies too in Spain, like Penarroja for example or Altura. Have you ever been to Castellon for the Festa de la Magdalena?
And for the mortar-cover-question, mostly we don't do it either. When the weather requires it we'd cover everything with foil and this stays on then, we just shoot through it. Aluminium-foil might be helpfull to prevent crossfiring from sparks but we hadn't that much a problem ever since with that. It depends on how closely you would pack your mortar-racks and if there a tails or something like that attached to the shells - but, as said above, we hadn't that much a problem with it.

bye!
Alex

oh! Yeah we got different tasted hehe! but their from the same roots hehehe! ) I agree though that vicenete caballer's shows doesnt excite me! oh Turis' show was also nice! i've seen videos from castellon and i've never seen a show in europe! ) just all in videos! hehehe! oooh i think that penarooja's trying to copy ricardo caballer's style ive seen this from one of their videos! And in the show of RICASA in fallas last year it looked like some parts where copied form traditional italian show specially the one before the finale with the many shells of shells! i just think this though hehe! As always, some small companies would come out better than bigger companies! oh i thought ricasa didn't import anything! which shells do they import?

vander

I know that Fireworks Spectaculars Canada is a small firm. And Macedo's is very large. Spectaculars performed their debut very seriously with alot of patience. A very nice display with an incredible finale that made my ears ring along going home by metro. I was astonished at what I saw. I knew that our country was showing off the goods, but I never knew they took that very seriously. Royale Pyrotechnie as well is an amazing firm with intense finales. IPON, intense? No kidding! And as well they are a small company. And my mistake everyone, it was Ferraro I visited. They are the lare firm. It's very lonely with no neighbors. Why is the limit 12" at the LaRonde displays?!? Why not 18" or 16"? I've seen larger shells than 12" at LaRonde. Im sure, because one of the shells in Spain and Canada's display in 2007 during the finale had a massive shell.

All the best,
Pat

The largest shell Canada had in 2007 was 12". Guaranteed. (They had both Spanish and Chinese 12s there.)